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Ruth Duncan: Dip Sports Therapy, Dip Sports and Remedial Massage, Dip Clinical Hypnotherapist and Myofascial Release Specialist
Ruth was the winner of the Camexpo Outstanding Achievement Award for the Industry in 2014 and is the author of ‘A Hands On Guide to Myofascial Release’ published by Human Kinetics the same year.
Ruth specialises in myofascial release and has been in clinical practice for 17 years as well as teaching myofascial release for over 13 years.
Her own myofascial training includes the work of John F. Barnes, Thomas Myers and Erik Dalton. She has also studied functional rehabilitation approaches as a major component of her Sports Therapy diploma as well as through Functional Movement Systems training (FMS) with Gray Cook. Through her training and extensive experience, Ruth has developed an integration of valuable fascial and connective tissue approaches and functional fascial rehabilitation and self care modalities. She has also expanded her knowledge and understanding of anatomy and biomechanics by attending many human dissection workshops with Julian baker and Gil Hedley.
Ruth is also trained in neuromuscular approaches (trigger point therapy, muscle energy techniques and positional release) as well as spinal manipulation, medical acupuncture, sports massage and sports taping and integrates these approaches into her treatments when necessary.
Ruth is a committee member for The British Fascia Symposium and delivered the introductory lecture on fascia at the first symposium in 2014. She also presented a poster on a myofascial clinical trial she undertook at the 4th International Fascia Research Congress in Washington in 2015. Ruth has a regular stand at the national Camexpo trade show at Olympia London where she also delivers workshops and lectures. She has also delivered lectures and workshops at the Holistic Health show, the FHT annual training conference and the Massage Training Institute (MTI) annual conference. Ruth was the keynote speaker for the MTI conference in 2015 and is the keynote presenter for the Scottish Massage therapy Organisation conference in 2018.
Over the past 13 years she has written numerous articles for the Massage World magazine, International Therapist (FHT), Sportex, the magazine for the Scottish Massage Therapy Organisation and for Choice Health and Wellbeing.
Ruth has taught internationally in Europe as well as Barbados, Kuwait, Dubai and South Korea. She is travelling to South Africa and Poland in 2018 to teach myofascial release as well as their regular UK teaching commitments.
“Is not always about me’’
“it is not how much pressure you use; it is how much resistance you feel.”
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Links mentioned in this episode:
Leon Chaitow – Fascial Dysfunction – http://www.myofascialrelease.co.uk/workshop-booking/special-event-fascial-dysfunction-leon-chaitow-30-september-01-october-glasgow/
Ruth Duncan Website – http://www.myofascialrelease.co.uk/
Host (continues, addressing Ruth): So, Ruth, thank you so much for taking the time to chat with me today.
Ruth: You are welcome. It is good to be here.
Host: So, here at BusyHive, we like to start every show with our guest’s favourite quote. In this kind of way we are getting starting, you know, the motivational ball rolling and getting everybody pumped and excited for the rest of the show. So, can you tell us what is your favourite quote and why?
Ruth: Well, I do actually have two favourite quotes and I hope that is not going to throw a spanner in the works: one is quite personal and the other one is very business-orientated, and I will give you the personal one first, and this is because, as all therapists know there it can be very challenging. We are in quite a saturated market and there are a lot of clients out there that are needing our help and the quote that is very personal is not always about me. What I-
Ruth: -mean by that is that sometimes we get wrapped up in the “why did not that happen this way?” “why cannot I get this?”; “why cannot I do that?” And we need to take a step back and actually remember that other people have as complicated lives as we do.
Host: That is so true.
Ruth: And that is my personal one. The business one, purely because it so relates to the work that I do, and that one is “it is not how much pressure you use; it is how much resistance you feel.” And that is very, very appropriate for myofascial release.
Host: Oh, definitely. You know, even I learned so much from the practices. Sometimes, it is better just to slow down and wait for release than actually putting so much pressure in it.
Ruth: Correct. Yes, absolutely true, very true.
Host: Brilliant. So, thank you for sharing that. And this is going to take us to the next topic because I have said in the beginning and before, here at BusyHive, we really focus on our beginning of our journey.
Host: So, can you tell us how did you get started? And how did you get to the point where [you are] today?
Ruth: Well, it is a bit of a roundabout story, to be honest. I feel like I have kind of come full circle. Our life school determined to go into nursing and this was before nursing was a degree qualification. You essentially went and did some weeks in training, then went on to the wards, did a few months on the wards back to training and that kind of covered a 3-year space of time. Unfortunately, I got a medical condition called congenital nystagmus and it makes me lose focus on small detail quite quickly and the NHS decided I was too much of a liability so I started nursing when I was 17 and, within about 2 or 3 months, they had asked me to leave. And I really suffered quite badly after that, emotionally. I probably did not realize that at the time but looking back it was quite a struggle, and having had such an interest in anatomy and physiology I could not decide what I wanted to do and where I wanted to go. But in those days, we are talking about the mid ’80s, massage therapy qualifications few and far between. And, because of my eye sight, I was not allowed to drive.
Ruth: So, to get anywhere to go and do a training course was just impossible for me, and I ended up working a couple of different jobs. I enjoyed what I did and got a good learning curve from the work that I did, and then I saw a job to go and work for Walt Disney World, and I remember that it was one of those things that was supposed to happen. My dad did his own business at the time and we were closing the business; my dad was retiring. And I was going in on the bus into Glasgow City Center to the job center, coming back on the bus, down at my feet was an open [The] Evening Times and the open page was the big golf ball that we all knew was very synonymous with head court and it said “come and work for Mickey” and I looked at that newspaper and I went “that is my job; that is my dream job-
Ruth: -go and work for Mickey Mouse” And I lifted the paper up; I saw what you had to do, went home, typed it all up, then I realized that the closing date was at 05:00 PM that night and at this time it was already 10:00 O’clock-11:00 O’clock at night. However, I filled in the application form and did what was asked and I went back into Glasgow the next day and delivered it by hand, expecting nothing to come of it, and here I got an interview and I ended up with one of the jobs, going out to work for Walt Disney World.
Ruth: So, I ended up there; when that contract finished, I realized that massage therapy was everywhere in the state of Florida and I ended up going to a massage school there so that is where I got my training, and that was a fantastic experience. So that is kind of where it all started and that was late 99-2000 and [I] was introduced to various types of massage, different types of soft tissue, trigger point therapy, neuromuscular. The training course is different in the states to what it is here. It is more like going to do an HNC or an HND.
Ruth: [It is] slightly different to the way it is done here. So you are in college full time and I spent a year in college so I have got the equivalent of about an HNC in massage therapy. So, yeah, it was a great experience. One of my teachers was myofascial release therapist who trained with John Barnes and that is where I got the myofascial bug. So, I started my Barnes training just a couple of years after I have been introduced to myofascial release at massage school and continued to do the Barnes training and moved back to the UK and continued to do the Barnes training and, by 2004, no body else was doing myofascial release here; just it was not heard of. And I decided to teach some friends, therapists who have become friends. And Myofascial Release UK just grew from there and it has gone bigger and bigger every year. And it blows my mind actually how successful it has been. I have never thought… you know, if you have asked me five years ago “would you have been a keynote speaker for a conference?” “would you have written about…?”; “would you have done this?” I would have gone “nah.”
Ruth: So, [it has been] fantastic experience, yeah.
Host: You know, brilliant. When I started massage, the word fascia [made me think] you are going to learn anatomy. When I got a little bit interaction later on from your book, [it is] nothing like that. No body heard-
Host: -about something like that.
Ruth: Exactly, yeah.
Host: And, now, you know, when they actually brought and [said] the fascia is just a part of the really big structure in a body, which is really, really important.
Host: And that is great. So, in your mind, can you share, you know, when you started as a new TERP, can you share with us just one of the challenges you faced?
Ruth: Yes, particularly for me, because I had no British qualifications and I am fairly unique in this, I really struggled to get insurance when I came back because they could not quantify and qualify my training and I am single…, you know, I have nearly 800 hours of massage qualifications while the average in the UK in those days was a 100 if you were lucky.
Host: I think in the states they do more hours, do not they?
Ruth: Correct, they do. Most states, not all of them, most states do a minimum of 500 but the likes of some of the Canadian provinces are 2,300, 2,500. And I think the state of New York is about a 1,000 hours. So this is different, but you have to remember that the reason it is different is because it puts like a Swedish massage qualification, a sports’ massage qualification, an on-site massage qualification, and maybe something else and something else all together.
Ruth: So it is different but there are a lot of similarities here in the UK.
Host: So how did you overcome it?
Ruth: Well, I really had to actually not just get certificates but I had to prove an awful lot to people here in the UK. And I remember that marketing always told you to market yourself as being able to do something different. So, I came back and I had this qualification and I struggled to make myself known in amongst the few people that I knew were therapists in the UK and I really had to work hard at marketing, which is not something that came naturally to me and it eventually became word of mouth. I promised myself that if I could not end what I had to end in a full-time job in a week in the space of 18… I gave myself 18 months to end what I would end in a full-time employment, if I could not do that because I could not get the marketing right, because I knew I could do the work, then it was not worth actually hanging on to being a therapist; I would need to go out on one of the other ways.
Host: And how long did it [take] you?
Ruth: About a year.
Ruth: Within a year-
Host: So, [it was] less than you expected.
Ruth: -less than I expected; and it was promotion, promotion, promotion, get out there, speak to people, talk to people, hand out business cards, you know, confidence, you really have to have confidence, even more so now, it is a saturated market. But, yes, confidence, and it is not something I had. So, yes, I had to work really quite hard.
Host: And it paid off, and that is really-
Ruth: It did.
Host: -valuable. It is really, really valuable. Exactly, you know, just believe in yourself and get out, just talk, talk, talk, talk to people.
Ruth: That is it.
Host: That is really, really brilliant. Thank you. So, at the moment, we have reached my favourite part of the show; we are about to enter a question time.
Host: This is, you know, where I will provide you with a series of questions and you are to provide us with a series of amazing and mind-blowing answers.
Ruth [laughter]: Oh God. [I] hope so.
Host: Does this sound like a plan?
Ruth: Sure, go for it.
Host: Brilliant, Ruth. So, the word myofascia and fascia as we mentioned [are] still a mystery for most people so let us try to pull down the curtains and to our listeners, you know, exactly answer “what does it mean?”
Host: The first question would be “what is the fascia?” And I have your book in front of me and I will go and read the piece of introduction from your book. So, “fascia has been described as the largest system in the human body-
Host: -because it touches all other structures; it possess[es] ten times more sensory nerve receptors that its muscular counterpart and has been promoted as mechanosensitive signaling system within integrated function akin to that of the nervous system.”
Host: “The fascial system is a totally integrated system and it is immediate environment of every cell in the body. Distinction network adapts its fiber arrangement and density according to the local and dental demands placed on it.” That is amazing. But-
Ruth: That is actually a great, great piece there. Did I actually write that? that is quite impressive.
Host: That is from your book.
Host and Ruth [laughter]
Host: And that is a lot of information.
Host: We can actually hear how amazing, how important it is. But can you tell us, because [these are] a lot of words-
Host: -can you put this into simple words, how would you explain that to, just, you know, clients?
Ruth: Yes, sure. You know, it is quite interesting that every time that subject comes up, particularly that piece from the book, we talk about the fascial network, having a much more and much greater sensory input, nervous system input. The quote there from the book says ten times the amount of sensory nerve endings and in actual fact we think now [there are] about six. And I remember Robert Schleip, who is one of the most well-known people when it comes to fascial research. Robert Schleip, I remember him saying specifically, “researchers are going to prove themselves wrong” and we have actually now, the congress, the Fascial Research Congress in 2015, one of the things that came up was we do not actually think it is about ten, we think it is about six. But what does that actually mean? Well, massage therapists, manual therapists, were all taught about joints, were all taught about muscles, and were taught about how a muscle is the laver action that moves the joint. So-
(Dog barks in the background)
Ruth: -I have got a dog barking in the background.
Host: That is alright.
Ruth: I am just hoping that the other one sitting next to me is not going to start barking as well. So, when you get your anatomy book, you have got the lovely pictures of muscles and joints and bones and we have to learn all of these. But, in actual fact, researchers are changing slightly and trying to change the way we think about anatomy. We focus on biomechanics at the moment, which is, just as I have said, a lever action, how a muscle moves the joint. But, in actual fact, there is a paradigm shift at that lovely phrase that [unintelligible], a paradigm shift where we are moving from biomechanics to biotensegrity. And biotensegrity goes very much hand in hand with what fascia, we think, really is, and when I say “we think” we are still not absolutely sure; you talked there about raising the curtains on fascia. Well, in actual fact, I am really not sure that we will ever be able to completely bring fascia from behind the curtain because I think it will always still be a bit of a mystery. But if you imagine it like this: let us say, for example, you got a big pot of stew on stove and I apologize to all the vegetarians out there.
Ruth: Imagine you have got this big pot of stew on the stove and you have got gravy in there, you have got meat, you have got vegetables, and imagine the gravy is actually the connective tissue or the fascia. Vegetables can be the muscles. The meat can be the muscles. There could be a little bit of bone there as well but the liquid component is what fascia is, and it is the fascia that holds everything together; it compartmentalizes systems; it envelops systems, it separates, and it protects. But the whole concept of fascia is, when you think about it, your body is essentially a molded shape supported by the connective tissue system which is sometimes called fascia and everything within that that we understand, the nerves, the vessels, the bones, the muscles, the organs, are all supported within fascia. So we are beginning to realize that, in trying to understand movement, we have compartmentalized far too much. We have been a little bit myopic in saying “well, only these muscles do this action”; well, if fascia, being the gravy, supports all of the muscles and some muscles are continuous with their fascial connections, we have to accept the fact that every muscle does something to support one movement, and the phrase is “no one muscle moves in isolation”; So you can have an injury in one part of your body that will affect somewhere completely distant because fascia is the thing that connects you.
So, we are trying to encourage people to understand things from a different point of view; we have focused so much on muscles and joints and bones but they cannot do anything without the connective tissue system, and the connective tissue system cannot do anything without the muscles and the bones and the joints, etc. So, the nerve input to fascia because fascia is far greater than one muscle. A muscle has a beginning and an end.
Host: Yes, yeah.
Ruth: Fascia is continuous. So because of the amount of nerve input to fascia as a total, a totality, it is far greater than what actually goes to muscle. So it is an exciting research that has come yet it is a bit confusing but it is quite exciting that we are beginning to expand our knowledge, and the expansion of our knowledge provides us [with] greater insight on how we can treat people and help more people get out of pain.
Host: And this is brilliant. I can [see] that, day to day, there are so many new discoveries and we discover-
Host: -new muscles and this is new; this is new.
Host: So, it is amazing that we going into more details and we are able this time to actually go there inside and check and make more and more research. I just want to make a final comment that, you know, from now, everyone would call fascial gravy.
Ruth [laughter]: Yes. This is very true. This is very true.
Ruth: Fascia is the gravy, but, you know, it is very, very true; you look at a lot of textbooks which do describe fascia and they talk about fascia being the aponeurosis or the layers of things and fascia is not. [Fasciae] are extracellular matrix, which is very, very briefly touched on in anatomy. It is that massive component of fascia and that extracellular matrix, this fluid-like gel-like substance, is actually what we need to pay much more attention to rather than the epimysium, perimysium, and endomysium. So, there is a lot more that needs to be learned about fascia, for sure.
Host: Brilliant. So, what is myofascial release?
Ruth: Well, again, that is another interesting one.
Ruth: the term myofascial release, from what I am led to believe, was coined by osteopaths. However, some of the [unintelligible] first have used the term myofascial release I believe it was Robert Ward. I think it is Robert Ward, Mr. Ward; Robert Ward and, of course, John Barnes, who actually [unintelligible] really have pioneered the use of myofascial release as a manual therapy and really are the ones that have used the term myofascial release very well to not just market, well they do, but they are drawing people to it because it is a very successful therapy. When I first came back to the UK, myofascial release at the time was not known at all, and I realized quickly that even though I wanted to be a myofascial release therapist exclusively, no body cared, because no body knew at the time [what it] was. Once the 2007 Fascia Research Congress happened, in Harvard University in Boston, that was when the term started to creep over to the UK, and I always tell students if you do myofascial release, promote that you do it; make sure it is on your business cards; make sure it is on your literature, because that is what people are looking for.
However, the term myofascial release, “myo-” means muscle; “fascia” means connective tissue; the term “release” is actually not quite correct and “release” would suggest you can stretch fascia, that you can reorganize it, that you can change its density in some way, shape, or form, and it is not quite correct. You have to understand what we are doing with myofascial release. We do release tension in the system, but how we do it is still a little bit of a mystery. It is to do with pressure [unintelligible] into the system; it is to do with fluid dynamics; it is to do with mechanotransduction. There [are] a whole lot of things that make people know they are doing myofascial release opposed to massage. But the term probably is not quite correct, but it is the term that everybody uses and is the one that will stick. So, myofascial release is a manual therapy where we target the specificity of the fascial system, opposed to just the muscular system. Because we know that fascia surrounds and supports muscle and fascia has slightly different responses to touch than what the muscle tissue [has]. So-
Host: It was a brilliant video and example, I think, Gil Hedley, and I think you have done it, video, with the cornflour.
Ruth: The cornflour, yes, the cornstarch, as they call it.
Host: That is a brilliant, brilliant example and I remember, in my anatomy lessons, my tutor brought this example and just kind of explained this like “what is happening?”
Host: It was a really good visual example to-
Ruth: Yes, it is actually correct. We have to remember with the cornflour is that we are trying to isolate what fascia does. We are trying to, instead of being in vivo, it is outside the body; it is in vitro. So, yes, we are trying to give people the idea of what fascia does using the cornflour analogy. But, in real life, it probably does not do quite what we have seen with the cornflour, and a lot of people think “oh, that is what fascia does”; we are not absolutely sure, because no body has yet managed to go inside the living body and squeeze their fascia. It might not happen and I am kind of hoping it does not ever happen, but we are not 100% sure yet, but that is a great analogy, and it is one that I use a lot, using the cornflour for sure.
Host: Yes, I am going to ask you later on; we are going to find the links and put the links to the video-
Host: -on our website. So, can you tell us who can benefit from this kind of work?
Ruth: Well, as a therapist, first of all, let me tell you as a therapist you can benefit. When you have learned your manual therapy, whether it is boon or boon or shiatsu [or] aroma therapy, doing myofascial release will really enhance your kinesthetic skills, and the main thing for me, having done myofascial release now, you know, coming on 18 years, is that it is such an easy therapy to do. You have longevity in your career; it does not hurt the same way as doing massage, after massage, after massage, and also every client that walks in the door is treated completely differently. It is not boring. Every day is a challenge; every client is an interesting challenge. So, as a therapist, it will enhance what you do very much and bring clients to you who are really looking for help. So as a therapist I think it is a great approach to [life].
As a client, we all see that myofascial release can treat anything, and it can. But, you know, I always have to put a little bit of disclosure with that: myofascial release is not for everybody; you know, there are people that you treat and they maybe come once or twice and you think “no, nothing has happened”; and we have got to remember and respect that it does not work for everybody and that goes the same for every therapy out there. But if it did not work there will not be as many therapists doing it; so we have to remember that as well. So, yes, it can treat the vast majority of pain conditions. Obviously, we have got to send people with undiagnosed [conditions] off back to the GP but, yeah, usually chronic pain, fibromyalgia clients. Back pain is really calmed when it is treated with myofascial release, chin splints, runners, knee, all sorts of sports injuries you can think of. Mostly, I treat chronic pain and I treat people with pelvic floor dysfunctions; [it is] one of my main specialties, particularly women who have difficult births, perhaps episiotomies, men with prostatitis pelvic floor dysfunction; [these are] the kind of main things I treat, and the other [type] I treat is ladies who have had breast surgery, mastectomy, lumpectomy, reconstruction, enlargement, and reduction [and those] who were having scar tissue issues. And the main one that I actually treat out with that is ladies with latissimus dorsi reconstruction, so they have had the latissimus dorsi cut and swung round underneath the shoulder to make the new breast, and they have a lot of problems with the shoulder because the latissimus dorsi has been changed. So, pretty much anyone with chronic pain will benefit from trying myofascial release.
Host: That is amazing. Thank you for being so specific; that is really valuable. Now, the next question, and also the last question of this part, and [it] is by far my favourite, you know, a lot of our listeners are just starting up, starting out, or maybe they have been in the business for a while but they are struggling in self-doubt as they work on building their own business. You already mentioned what you said about being really confident and [talking] to people. But-
Host: Let us say you wake up tomorrow morning but you still possess all your experience and knowledge you currently have but your business completely disappeared, forcing you to start from the scratch, what would you do?
Ruth: What would I do? [laughter] Well, you know, sometimes I think, currently at the moment, sometimes I think if the world would just stop and give me a break, then I could gather my thoughts to start again. So, if I was doing this all over again-
Host: Exactly, now you have this moment.
Ruth: -if I was doing it all over again-
Host: World just stopped.
Ruth: [If] world just stops and the merry-go-round would stop, I would really look closely at work-life balance. I have been very fortunate that I have been able to go and do what I wanted to do, and my success has also kind of run away with me sometimes, and therapists are not good at saying no; somebody phoned you up and they are looking for an appointment, it is the last-minute thing, and it just comes at such and such time and I would be a little bit more strict with myself about my timings of what I worked and how I worked. I would still do all the practicing that I have done. I would still do all the teaching and sharing. That is a huge passion of mine. I love seeing this bright-eyed student coming to a Level 1 of myofascial release and walk out with amazing skills. So I would do that again, but I would definitely, definitely work on my work-life balance, for sure.
Host: That is really, really great. Thank you. So, Ruth, you have shared a lot with us today and I really appreciate that. So in this part, we have something we called free style.
Host: So here we will give you a moment for a promotional view, whether a course, book, your practice, anything you would like to share. So we will give you a little bit of the free-style time.
Ruth: Sure, ok. Even if you have done some myofascial release through maybe your core qualifications or through a training program, it is always a good idea to receive treatment yourself. Go and find somebody that you can actually get myofascial release from, and [it would be] even better if it is somebody that has trained elsewhere, somebody you do not know. The best way to learn is to receive, and I would really recommend that you do that. If you know some other therapists who do myofascial release, again it does not really matter where they have learned it, but get together and do some study groups together where you treat each other as a group; that is a really, really good way. On our Facebook page, we have got over 2,000 students who are either our own students or who are interested in myofascial release. Get on our Facebook page myofascial release UK, sorry it is Myofascial UK; go on the Facebook page and ask. You know, try to get a study group going. Also, you need to get my book [on] myofascial release; it is A Hands on Guide to Myofascial Release, published by Human Kinetics. There [are] lots of techniques in there; you can get it on Amazon, you can get it, most online publications, and also Human Kinetics direct, Amazon sell it as well; it is available on Kindle.
Also, for those of you who are up here in Scotland, because I know some of you know I am from Glasgow. For those of you who are up here in Scotland, in September, we have a fantastic opportunity to do a workshop with Leon Chaitow. He is coming up to Glasgow at the very end of September to do a two-day workshop on his book Fascial Dysfunction. I have only got few spaces left on it, so you need to get onto our website and go ahead and book that. We [had] also got a fantastic opportunity the previous weekend in Glasgow so again it is September and it is called Myofascial Me. And this is something that we will be rolling out down in London probably next year, and it is an opportunity for you to come and actually receive treatment in a workshop learning environment; it is not a teaching environment; it is a workshop learning environment, where you will be treating others and you will also receive treatment. We will be doing multitreatments, individual treatments, self-care, but we as therapists are not good at going out and getting time for ourselves, going and getting our massage or our reflexology. This is a two-day event where you can book with us and come up to Glasgow. We are running so that you can come up on a Saturday morning; it does not start till 01:00 O’clock on a Saturday and we will run through it to about 08:00 or 09:00 that evening and then it will be from 09:30 to about 04:30 on the Sunday, so if you are coming up, you only need one-night accommodation. And we are only about 25 minutes away from Glasgow City Center, so if you are down in England, hop in the train, get on to the east of the West Coast Main Line, come up to Glasgow, and we would love to see you. But, of course, we got all of our other workshops on the website. We have got Sheffield coming up at the end of June [to] the beginning of July, we have got Bristol in October, we have got Norwich, a new venue to us; Norwich is happening in October, Level 1 in Norwich, and we have got London in June and London in November. And, lastly, just because it is next month, we have got a whole series in Glasgow as well. So, get on the website, you can get hold of me at firstname.lastname@example.org, [it is] easier to email, and I usually get back to you the same day, and the Facebook page, get on the Facebook page Myofascial UK.
Host: Brilliant, and we will also put all those links in our show notes and I also know that you are going to do some workshops in Poland, is not it?
Ruth: Oh, how did you hear about that? [laughter] Oh, yes we have been asked to go to Poland, fantastic opportunity for us. That just came out probably a week and [unintelligible] maybe about two weeks ago and we are going to run the whole diploma at Kraków-
Host: Oh, brilliant.
Ruth: -next year. I think it is going to be February and September; we are going out to do the whole diploma. So that is next year. We have also got South Africa next year; we are going to Cape Town and Johannesburg. We are just about to go off to Korea next week; this will be our fourth trip to South Korea. We did [unintelligible] talk in Dubai at the beginning of this year en route to Korea, and in September we will have Korea again and [we are] coming back via Qatar to do a special workshop for a group of physiotherapists who specialize in hands surgery.
Host: Oh, amazing.
Ruth: So, [I am] looking forward to that, yes.
Host: So, I hope you enjoy our Polish hospitality.
Ruth: I am sure we will.
Host: So, in this part of the interview, we have something we called take-a-guest game. Here we would like to ask you who you admire and who can deliver inspiration to our listeners. Can you help us get to recommendation for upcoming interview with me, here at BusyHive.
Ruth: Yes, I would like to nominate one of our students who is a huge inspiration to therapists as well as other people who have gone through a similar experience to herself. She has had a medical condition which has resulted in a lot of [surgeries] in her face and she has had to learn to talk again. She has got little to no muscles down one side of her face and she cannot close her eye on one side of her face, and she came and she did some myofascial release training with us and she was completely blown away by its results and she came back and learned some advanced courses with us and she has been treating clients but she has now also got involved in the clinical hospital where she had her own surgery, and she is beginning to share, one, her experiences of having the medical condition, as well as the results that she is getting using myofascial release, so I would like to nominate Paula Holland.
Host: Oh, brilliant, thank you. With your help, I will try to get her on our show.
Host: This is so great, so thank you for joining us today, Ruth, and-
Ruth: You are welcome.
Host: -you have given so much great advice and we are all better for it. So let us finish our show with last piece of advice for BusyHive listeners. Then, we will say goodbye. If you had just one thing to our listeners to take out of this episode, what would it be?
Ruth: Definitely, confidence. Keep going, keep at it, keep trying, as I have said a couple of times, it is a saturated market out there. You have to get out and do something that is pretty unique. Do not try to get all certificates in the world. Oh, you know that lovely phrase “Jack of all trades, master of none”; if you believe you offer a professional, quality service, then you need look at doing quality, professional training. Make sure that you choose your training wisely, making sure that it suits your needs, rather than the cheapest and not the only date available. Take time to make sure it is the right thing for you. Be confident in your choice; be confident out there. And if you can get all that, then you are going to be a fantastic therapist.
Host: That is just a great message for our listeners. So, how can we connect with you online?
Ruth: [It is] definitely easier to get me online than on the phone these days, because I am out and about so much. Email is email@example.com. We are also on Twitter, which is @MyofascialUK, although I am not as active on Twitter as I am on Facebook. So, Facebook is Myofascial UK as well. You can post me messages on Facebook about looking for a therapist in myofascial release or looking for other therapists to swap. If you are looking for information on workshops, you are better to email me rather than on Facebook. But definitely email and I see that I usually get back to you the same day, if not, nearly the next day.
Host: Brilliant, now I would definitely recommend to everybody to check out your website and give Ruth a shout-out on her Twitter and Facebook. We will put all the links on our show notes here at BusyHive.co.uk Podcast. So, Ruth, thank you again.
Ruth: You are very welcome, [it was] good to talk.
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