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On this episode of The Truth about Massage Therapy Podcast, Krzys interview Jane Langston

BHP017 – What is Amatsu Therapy?

Jane Langston was originally a biomedical scientist specialising in Haematology and Blood Transfusion. She moved into learning Amatsu Therapy after seeing the benefits of the treatment first hand, and after 2 years training, she qualified as an Amatsu Practitioner. As Jane had previously been a trainer in the pathology labs, it was a natural progression to learn to teach Amatsu Therapy, and in 2005, she established The Amatsu Training School, which has won several awards for its proven track record in excellence. At such an award ceremony, she met Earle Abrahamson, and after chatting for a while, they realised they both had a passion for teaching and learning Anatomy and Physiology in creative and off the wall methods. And so the idea of writing “Making Sense of Learning Human Anatomy and Physiology” was borne. This was published in the UK in late 2016 and is about to go worldwide in Oct 2017, and is receiving great reviews. Jane continues to teach Amatsu Therapy, and also teaches creative methods of learning A&P with LearnAnatomy Ltd. Book number 2 is in progress. She lives in rural Suffolk, with hubby and two crazy cats.


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KRZYS:          So, welcome Jane, and thank you for joining me here at the Busy Hive Podcast!

JANE L:          Thank you very much for having me.

KRZYS:          So, here at Busy Hive we like to start every show with our Guest Favorite Quote. It’s kind of our way to get everyone motivated and excited for the rest for the show so can you tell us what’s your favorite quote and why?

JANE L:          Well I’ve got two, I’m just being greedy here, but I (Go on) have two.  And one is George Goodheart quote he’s a chiropractor and he said that “the body is intricately simple and simply intricate”. And that’s absolutely massive for me because I think we can over-complicate things yet we can go into the most intricate detail when we think about the body. And sometimes you have to step back and look at the big picture and sometimes we have to dive right in there and look at the most microscopic. So, that is really big for me and that one’s carried right through my life. When I worked in the labs as well as now I’m a body worker.

KRZYS:          And what’s the second one?

JANE L:          The second one is “every day is a school day”. (Laughter)

KRZYS:          Well now we’re on holidays! (Laughter)

JANE L:          I did a bit of a promotion at my last training course and one of the, we gave all of the students a poster saying “I love learning Amatsu Therapy” (Yes) because, and they had to hold it up. And one of the chaps put up “every day’s a school day” and that really resonated with me and I thought yep I absolutely get that, there’s always something to learn. (Laughter)

KRZYS:          I, I, yeah, I definitely agree. So, thank you for sharing that. And so, here at the Busy Hive we really focus on the beginning of the journey. Because we can really learn a lot from it and from the experience of others. How they started it? So, can you tell us how did you get started and how did you get to the point where are you today?

JANE L:          Well originally I was a Biomedical Scientist. So, I learned at St Thomas’ hospital and then moved to various different hospitals as a trainee. I loved the laboratory work; I specialized in haematology and blood transfusion. I love…

KRZYS:          Lots of details?

JANE L:          Loads of details. I loved the detective work of looking at somebody’s blood film, the blood slide and trying to work out what was wrong with them. And yeah, I just, I loved my job.

KRZYS:          And microscope?

JANE L:          Absolutely, down a microscope or tubes of blood. I prefer, I actually prefer my blood in tubes rather but spills. (Laughter) And but I came to that by my family actually have a metabolic illness, Copper Failure and that was, it’s quite an devastating illness. And my aunt died of it in the past.

KRZYS:          So, what, what is it?

JANE L:          It’s a, it’s a metabolic, it’s a genetic problem to do with haemo-metabolism. And, yeah I think I say, unfortunately, my aunt succumbed. But we had to be screened as a family to see if we had it, luckily I don’t. And we were all put in hospital we were all kept in for a week. Having a load of blood tests and things. And I wanted to know where my blood was going I was age about 11, wanted to know where my blood was going. And a very enlightened doctor took me to the labs to show me what was happening with my blood and that was it, I was just hooked. Cause I needed to (And that’s the moment?) know that. (Brilliant) So, I trained as a Biomedical Scientist for, I worked publicly for about 20 odd years in the NHS. Working my way up through the ranks. I was a Training Officer and I taught a lot of people and, in small groups in the laboratory and I specialised in Vitamin B12 and Folate Metabolism stuff and also Haemoglobin Apathy; so, sickle cell disease, falacenia and so on. Actually, I loved my job as I said. I had a child, and when my son was born he was very, very well. But unfortunately, when he was about 18 months he became very poorly, developed lots of infections. And to cut a very little story an awful lot shorter and, we became desperate as any parent does when they’ve got a very sick child. And we were prepared to look at different avenues of treatment, although he was in and out of hospital at the time. He was on steroids, antibiotics and so on. And a friend of mine advised me personally to go and have this weird therapy because I’d hurt my neck. I was dizzy, hurt my neck just from stretching, and so I went off to have therapy. It’s in London, therapy called Amatsu, and I really didn’t know what it was. But this man rubbed my arms and legs, held my head, did some stuff to my neck and I was better. At some point in that set of treatments my son came with me to the treatment. And my therapist looked at him and said well there’s something very wrong with him, you know what’s wrong with him (Laughter) he’s a sick child. I was actually carrying a bucket at the time because he used to cough quite a lot and we’d have to catch it. So, at that point, I got off the couch and my therapist started to treat my son. And I had no expectations of my son improving he was a very sick little boy as well as his infections, he was incredibly hyperactive, hardly slept, he was an angry little man and yeah, and very poorly and us parents didn’t get much sleep.

KRZYS:          Usually affecting parents as well, yes.

JANE L:          Yeah, and well that treatment well really it just looked like his ribs were kind of poked a little bit, his arms and legs were moved a bit and his head was held. Well, he got off the couch and he was a different child. He was quiet, he was calm and we got in the car and drive off and we were actually going out for the day, that day. And he sat in the car humming to himself, looking out of the window. And we’d never have that at all, and by this point, my son was 6. And we’d never had that calmness, and we actually wondered if he was sick again or something, and was he going to become ill. And really from that day he improved so much, he had previously been on antibiotics every week or at least every other week and we noticed that from that first treatment he didn’t need antibiotics for a week, he didn’t need it for a second week, a third week. We managed to half his steroids, and then we halved them again. His lungs improved, his energy improved, he was calm and he was happy and discovered a love of singing. And, I thought my goodness and I actually paid and I said right I have no idea what you’re doing but can you please carry on taking him. (Yep doing it, yeah) Because it doesn’t make sense but hey, it works. So, my son now is twenty six (26) and in that twenty (20) years, he’s only had antibiotics twice. And he’s a fit and healthy young man now. And he’s grown, he was he was destined to be very, very, very short child and he’s grown to normal amounts. And I think Amatsu was the right treatment for him at that time and it just allowed his body to have his own healing mechanism. And the disease that we thought he had, was probably genetic. So, it’s interesting that you know Physical Therapy can have an effect on that, and perhaps it wasn’t who knows? From a sick child to become so well, as a scientist I have to know more. And I wanted to know how does this work? What is involved? I have to try, I am a study-aholic and I love to learn and so I just had to know more. So, I began to learn Amatsu Therapy.

KRZYS:          Wow what a story, I’d, I heard this story and that’s what, that’s why I bring your on because I love this story and that’s why I want to bring some more information about Amatsu. So, you start to you learn Amatsu and you become therapist?

JANE L:          Yes, it’s a two-year process to become a fully qualified, fully ranked Amatsu Therapist. The first year you do more massage based stuff, and that, the the thing that makes Amatsu different from all other therapies in my mind is that we, we are very detailed about where we treat. We do a lot of assessments to start with and we assess, we take a fantastic history which obviously all therapists do. But we isolate down which area of the body is the root cause of the dysfunction for that day. Now, our bodies have got loads of dysfunctions, loads of layers, loads of what we call lesion patterns and each day another one might appear. So, it’s usually not a one hit wonder you have to get through the onion layers. And in our treatment, we spend a lot of time assessing to work out where is the best place to work and then we treat that area and then support it with some perhaps some massage based work, some mobilization work. And then we re-check and then gradually the body learns not to have those habitual patterns anymore. Amatsu comes from a Martial Art, from Ninjutsu; so, it works on putting people in and out of balance just as a martial art does.

KRZYS:          So, apart from the therapy you throwing the ninja stars as well? (Laughter)

JANE L:          No, I totally did the part from our hands. Those aren’t our tools our hands and our bodies..

KRZYS:          So, when you started as a new therapist what was one of the challenges you came across?

JANE L:          As a new therapist (Yes) definitely the ability to ask for money, there’s a big one. And I hear it across lots of other therapists as well. The, having to ask for something, which a lot of people perceive as they should receive for free. And so, therefore, it’s ingrained in us to give, we’re giving people which is why we learn these therapies because we want to make people better we want to help. To ask for money for it just seemed rude when you’re starting up. And I, that really challenged me, and my own issues with money and asking for money had to be overcome. It was a business (So) I had to do it with a business head.

KRZYS:          That’s the thing you know, we as exactly as a therapist we just want to help people and it’s really, you know I’ve been in therapy around 3 years and it’s I’m better but it’s still there’s sometime situation like it’s like “Oh, how do I say it, oh how do I do it”. And I’m better you know I’m kind of business minded and lots of therapists aren’t. But you know we all struggle in this it’s still this direct you know we need to learn this direct approach you know. And I remember I was really practicing in the beginning when I started at practicing “hello my name is Krzys I’m a Massage Therapist, you know this is that much, this is that much”. (Yeah) But it just comes with the practice. So how did you overcome it?

JANE L:          Well to begin with my original clients were the paying clients, were my friends and the friends of Case Studies. (Yes) Well, I think Case Studies were a good start but the trouble is they’re very emotionally invested in you and you’re emotionally invested in them.

KRZYS:          I think it’s even really even harder to ask friends. (Absolutely) Well some of them, some of them it’s real easy. (Laughter)

JANE L:          I’m not so sure of that. I found that making the step from treating fiends to treating strangers was really useful. And I think if I could change anything it would be treat more strangers as Case Studies and because then it makes you a little bit bolder.

KRZYS:          A little bit bolder and, it’s just the practice (It is practice) and practice experience and I think even just sit down and put this into words and writing down. (Yeah) It’s just practice practice (Yes) because you know like that’s what help me especially you know my English is not it’s a second language and it’s always just to practice, practice, practice and just…

JANE L:          Yeah, I think also when I was a student and just becoming qualified I think that my job and change lately I used to do a lot of night work and the way that the health authority was organized it changed health authorities so I could no longer do the night work in the hospital I was working at which meant I lost nearly well probably half my income. And good timing because I had Amatsu so I had to make it work. And I think that being hungry and needing to put food on your plate certainly drives you and definitely needing money drove me to being bolder.

KRZYS:          Definitely, you know a quite similar story because well I at the time when I went into the massage journey I had three jobs one of those ones were doing the night shifts in Ikea. You know had a new baby I slept for three hours and I was training and doing Case Studies. And I just burned out (Yeah) and it kind of the just decision you know what I just have to make it so I yeah, I quit the night shift, I quit the night.

JANE L:          There’s nothing like being poor to actually force you to start, to plan your business.

KRZYS:          And I just I need, I needed to make it happened and I did and it just was the hard but amazing journey, and still is. (Yeah) So, now in the next part let’s, let’s go to you know the subject, which you know the topic which is really always close to the conversation what’s our guest doing. So, what I want to talk and to bring more about exactly what’s Amatsu Therapy? So let’s go into it you already explained (Okay) without obviously throwing the ninja stars can you explain what is Amatsu Therapy?

JANE L:          Well Amatsu Therapy was originally from the Ninja’s as we said and they used it as their healing medicine, it’s a martial medicine and probably wasn’t called Amatsu way back when. But over the years it became Amatsu and about the 1980s some Osteopaths who were also worked in you know with the Ninja’s they went out to learn some of the techniques behind the martial medicine. But actually what happened was that the head of the martial art Dr. Hatsumi said to them now look at the movement look at the movement behind the martial art and so they realised that it was the movement behind the martial arts or the ability to use very little movement but have maximum effect. Could be translated instead of knocking someone down could actually meet the person’s problem in their body and give it a support to allow it to get better, it’s actually meeting it at its baddest point really. So, what we do in Amatsu it really doesn’t look terribly interesting a lot of the time. In that, we work out where people’s problems are, where their lesions are, where their twists and turns and imbalances are. And we can work out using our assessment tools where we have to press, or hold, or move the person’s limb or body or part of body and the depth of pressure that we have to use in order to meet their injury pattern. And when you meet the injury pattern with your own movement, you own practitioner’s movement it’s absolutely effortless. It’s deep, it’s certainly very effective but you almost go for a bit of a ride in their body you become one with their movement and by finding where the restrictions are in that movement you can, therefore, find out where to free those restrictions off.

KRZYS:          So, when you’re saying meeting their energy pattern…

JANE L:          Not energy pattern it’s actually movement pattern.

KRZYS:          So when you meeting the movement patterns, so how do you feel that how is that?…

JANE L:          How’s it felt? (Yeah) Well when you pick up a limb…

KRZYS:          How do you yeah, how do you see it how do you as the therapist when you know you have this like “oh there it is”. (Laughter)

JANE L:          We’ve all got different ways of feeling it. I mean some people can visually see it, they can look at a limb and know that it internally rotates here and externally rotates there and flexes here and so on. And other people are able to feel it. So, just quietly laying your hands on somebody you can actually feel the twists and turns in the fascia and we also have a series of assessment tools that we can use where we challenge each limb, each joint to work out which way it moves the most and that’s definitely a technique we use in training because you don’t have the dexterity of touch. You don’t have the observational skills to work out where the lesion patterns are but by actually using an assessment tool you can work out piece by piece from big toe to all the way up to the tarsals to the ankle going up to the fibula and the tib, coming up to the femur you can actually work out which direction the limb is turning in that particular lesion pattern. And then you recreate that using touch you hold onto the limb and you literally move it into that lesion pattern.

KRZYS:          Wow, so it’s like really, really detailed assessment (It’s very detailed) screening (Yes, yes) Okay.

JANE L:          But the thing that we use is movement it’s called Taijutsu which translates as natural body movement and we as practitioners can’t work with our shoulders up round our ears. We have to be very relaxed in our movement and we have to, it’s like being an observer in somebody else’s movement so you’re alongside them you’re not forcing them you are not putting anything of your own into the client’s movement. And you move the limb and where it glitches where there’s little glitches in the movement or perhaps restrictions where it stops moving it then gives you the opportunity to find release points to free off that stopness. “Stopness” that’s a bit of a technical term isn’t it.  (Laughter)

KRZYS:          We like that, I like the term. (Laughter) I found that for the, well with my experience working with the clients I found that it is so much more effective working with actually allowing body, the client body itself to let you in and do their own work in their own time in their own terms. Actually then just putting all the hard work in you know, in the body is like, I always describe it is you know, it’s easier when you come to see someone it’s much nicer if someone let you in instead of just kicking the door and coming in inside yourself.

JANE L:          Definitely, definitely one of the things we do when we’re training the first weekend of teaching is I have a big bowl of corn flour and water you know to make gluten. And we all, the students put their hands into the bowl of corn flour and if you push your hands too quickly it goes solid and you can’t get. If you move very smoothly relaxed almost thoughtlessly literally thoughtlessly that doesn’t mean nastily, just do it without any mind at all you can move through the corn flour because it’s liquid. (So, working with the fascia) Working with the fascia slowly and softly and without any of you.

KRZYS:          So what sort of problems this therapy can help, what?.

JANE L:          The most people come with movement restrictions or pain, those are the two main categories often so perhaps they’ve got headache, backache, sports injuries and so on or just general you know clinch the knee skiing. The sorts of things that you might see an Osteopath or a Physio for. But over the years we’ve noticed that more and more people are coming to us for maintenance because they recognize that their life has aspects that they can’t actually change. You know, there are some things that you can make and change in your life but if you’re stuck in a job you can’t get out of or your personal circumstances are that you have to care for somebody you’re going to carry on hurting yourself. And we found that people who come for maintenance therapies say every month or six weeks they actually become ill less, they have less injuries and their well-being is raised. They actually feel better, emotionally they feel better because they don’t hurt. So, I think it’s a very holistic therapy but we work on the physical but it has an effect on all aspects of the person.

KRZYS:          Of the dimensions. (Yes) As, would you use this therapy for relaxation sessions?

JANE L:          I wouldn’t actually sell it as relaxation.

KRZYS:          It’s more as structural work, isn’t it?

JANE L:          It’s a structural work, but whenever anybody has any stress related problems there are usually physical aspects which bring them to us. I don’t think, it’s not really a spa therapy where you’d come for a one off relaxing thing and you tend to come with pain, movement restrictions and so on.

KRZYS:          So can you tell us about, so, let’s bring more information so can you tell us about your school, Amatsu Training School?

JANE L:          The Amatsu Training School was started in 2005 and we teach from Loudwater which is near Watford in Hertfordshire that’s close to the N25. I have a team of people that teach with me really lucky to have a great team. We have a couple of people who, myself and another colleague live down in the South. We’ve got a couple of teachers who live in the North of England, and there’s also a teacher who lives in Buckland. So, between the five of us, we’ve also got another teacher in training who’s due to qualify this year between the five, six of us we’ve got a really good team of teachers. We’ve taught probably I think probably about 100 people now, have gone through our books. We have quite small classes between 6 and 12 in a class. I don’t like teaching massive classes I think it’s, we have loads of fun when we teach. And I think a group of between 6 and 12 works better than bigger than that. You get lost in a big room, and I don’t like students getting lost. The teaching takes about 24 days a year for two years. At the end of year one you’re qualified in Amatsu Therapy like a 1, and that allows you to get insurance, you can practice and actually start earning money which is fantastic to do a course where you start earning money half way through. In year two, well year one sorry, is tends to be more muscle based. So, we’ll go through the anatomy of all the muscles and we look at the assessments of all the muscles and we look at the treatment of all the muscles. In year two, its more ligaments and fascia and so we look at sort of more whole body patterns. Like the ligaments are the pattern setters of the body, we look at those patterns and we have techniques to help that. And that’s, it’s a higher level it gives you much more higher level of expertise and by the end of year two you’ve got a much better sense of touch and you’ve also got a massive toolkit of assessment and treatment techniques.

KRZYS:          So, what, what’s entry requirements?

JANE L:          We have an entry requirement of a Level 3 in Anatomy and Physiology, and we also like a good command in English basically because I can’t speak any other language. (Laughter) We do have a Hungarian teacher so that’s good and some IT skills are useful, simply because of…

KRZYS:          I think you need a Polish teacher as well. (Laughter)

JANE L:          Yeah, I dare say. (Laughter) Yeah, we like IT skills simply because Case Studies, Home Work are submitted online. And it makes it much easier if people are IT literate.

KRZYS:          Brilliant! So, what qualification do you gain after afterwards?

JANE L:          At the end of year one it’s Level 1 in Amatsu Therapy, and that is has been overseen by Amatsu Therapy International. And at the end of year two your qualified in Level 2. Beyond that there are loads of continuing professional development courses looking at the fascia, looking at particular limbs, looking at the internal organs, the thorax, and the abdomen. Because obviously they are surrounded by visceral by visceral fascia that we can access movement patterns in, and create a lot of corrections there which is super. That tends to also look more at emotions because the structure of our thorax and abdomen changes shape when we express different emotions. Simply, postural you tend to adopt a shape when you have an emotion and that can cause various twists and turns within the fascia of the thorax muscle.

KRZYS:          How brilliant! So, can you tell us cause I check and it’s really, really amazing can you say a few words about the awards you already have for the school? (Sorry can you say that again) Can you say the few words about the awards you gained for the school?

JANE L:          Oh yes, we were really lucky and we have won number of awards now and What’s On 4 Me which is voted by the public and voted us as Best Complimentary, sorry Best Adult Training Provider. And we also won the Institute of Complementary and Natural Medicine’s Awards two years actually, one was Best Complementary Medicine Company and one was Outstanding Contribution to Complementary Medicine which I’m proud and values.

KRZYS:          And definitely you should be. So, let’s move on into the next question. So, because a lot of our listeners are either just starting out, maybe they just been in the business for a while but they’re all struggling to work in their you know on their business. So, if you woke up tomorrow morning and there’s no coffee, no I’m saying, there’s coffee. (Laughter) But you still possess all of the experience and knowledge you currently have but your business had completely disappeared forcing you start from the scratch, what would you do?

JANE L:          As you said, that’s a really interesting question, and it’s one that really makes you think. And probably everybody should think this question often because you never know what is going to come at you. If everything disappeared but I still had my side knowledge I would still set up my clinic, I would still run my training school. I would however wish that I had done more social media in the past. And I think social media is a way to get information out there, and you know podcasts like yourself, Facebook posts and so on really raises awareness. And so, if I had to start from scratch I will be using all my social media contacts to build my business definitely. And I would also make sure that I allocated the right amount of time to it rather than every hour of every day. (Laughter)

KRZYS:          That’s definitely a good plan. Well yeah the social media these days are in the one thing and it’s quite scary. But it’s just so helpful well to build awareness and get people interested and even you know share some snaps and bits of pieces of you know what you do, how you do, and you know how we do it. (Yeah) What is it all about all about the business, what is it all about the school and share you know. Share the happiness, should the stories, share inspirations, share the sadness. And social media, social media help us to raise the profile and, well there’s lot of different things you know Facebook Twitter Instagram Snapchat and so on. (Yeah) you know but it’s just you know one step at a time just you know start of one and just kind of building up, building up on this and…

JANE L:          Yes, until recently I had never had any training in social media stuff. And I think that if I was starting again I would go for some definite decent training because I’ve had some recently and it made a big difference. And I think that for new practitioners they want people to come to them but they’re a bit scared of their own ability to boast. They feel they’re boasting and they don’t feel they’re worthy and so they don’t tell anyone yet somehow they need people to know. And social media’s a great way of having a little boast. I’m saying you know what I’ve passed this exam and I’ve got space on this day for people to come and the people will come.

KRZYS:          Exactly, that’s little update you know, that’s I’ve done another course and show them the picture with your of your Diploma or just little you know tips and tricks. Basically what’s on your mind. I think the best, one of the best thing is actually just just be yourself on it. Don’t copy other people, or don’t be this beautiful massage picture place. The coach are okay, the coach massaging coach are always okay. [Massaging coach (Laughter)] But yeah just be yourself, just share, share your thoughts what you like about the massage, What’s you know people like to know what’s in your mind. And people not only want to find out about you as the Massage Therapist but actually as the person. So, the next part is all about you. So, here we will give you a little moment to give you know to promote you the courses, books, school, practice anything you would like. So, we will give you a little bit of the freestyle time, here we go.

JANE L:          Well my Amatsu Training courses are available now for booking for next year, we will be running them in Hertfordshire definitely and we’d also like to run them in Suffolk and Yorkshire and possibly even Dublin. Because we’ve got a good team now with people in all areas. So, we are advertising, we’ll be advertising from August onwards with new prices. And our website will have details and our Facebook pages will have details on of those courses. We’re also running some Learn Anatomy Courses, together with Earl Abrahamson we run Learn Anatomy and we’ll be running some learn anatomy courses. And those have been brilliant so far we’ve had great fun and teaching How To Learn Anatomy and Physiology For Therapists. So, rather than just learning to regurgitate in an exam we want you to really hone the information, to know the information forever so it never drops out of your head.

KRZYS:          So, how do you do it?

JANE L:          Very practically with loads of fun and games. And we’ll probably treat you like children (Laughter) and give you modeling clay and all that kind of stuff. But we just have the best time and, in very interactive sessions we getting into everybody’s heads in ways that they think and everybody joins in and they go home and they know the blood flows to the heart because they have done it. They’ve walked through, the hearts that they’ve made, and pretended to be blood cells and so on. So…

KRZYS:          I like that, walk (Laughter) through the heart.

JANE L:          Yeah, we did the heart and we did the digestive system. they had to build that with bits of [00:34:45 inaudible word] that we had, yeah great fun.

KRZYS:          So, what’s, can you tell us the websites, on what website can we find all the details?

JANE L:          Okay, the has the details of the courses, and we can create of course tailor made whatever the needs are of the group. So, if a group of people wanted to book us they just tell us the subject they want and we will tailor make one for you. has the information about our training courses for Amatsu.

KRZYS:          Thank you. So, the next question we have, our game “Tag a Guest Game”. So, we would like to ask you who do you admire and why? And can you help us get recommendation for upcoming interview with me here at Busy Hive Podcast?

JANE L:          Okay, well the person that I would like to tag is Julia Williams and she is a Therapist, she’s based down in Dorset I think, Bridgeport where’s that down in Dorset, somewhere South. And she also has a clinic in London and she works in the Haematology Unit at University College London doing complimentary therapies. And she together with a colleague invented a dance class, I’m using the word dance loosely, a dance class for people who have lymphedema. So, their lymph doesn’t drain properly and they develop swelling. And that could be primary from genetic or it could be secondary due to perhaps breast cancer surgery. Where you get swelling in the arms and she has worked out, and the thing I really like about Julia is she she’s got a brain like mine. And that she wants to work out where everything came from. So, if she does a technique she wants to be able to reference it. Who invented it, who said it first, who has peered reviewed it. And so she’s created a lot of movements and dance steps and just literally movements that can be done to music but you create little routines so that people who have this, you know this dreadful condition are able to manage their own symptoms. It’s called Tripaedia, Tripaedia means to dance or leap for joy. And so I use the term loosely because you can actually do it lying down, you can do it seated. And when I studied it, I did it as Continuing Professional Development it fascinated me, it was a three day course and I, my family have issues with lymph problems. And so I thought I’ll go to this course and I was amazed at its effectiveness, I was amazed at how much fun it was. And when I’ve taken it into the community I volunteer with Lymphodema support, Suffolk and I do little Tripaedia classes there. I was actually humbled by seeing how people with huge disabilities were able to join in a dance class. People who couldn’t walk, couldn’t move, couldn’t lift their arms up yet felt that they took part in an exercise class that was at their level, absolutely humbling. And Julia is a perfect person to tag because I’m sure she’ll she’ll tell you all about what she, she does.

KRZYS:          I’m looking forward it’s real really sounds really interesting. So, thank you Jane for joining me here at Busy Hive. You well really gave us a lot of advice and it’s well inspiration and information and knowledge what about your course and your school. So, let’s finish this show with the last piece advice for Busy Hive listeners and then we going to say goodbye. If you just had one thing out of, for our listeners out to take out of this episode what would it be?

JANE L:          I would say, every day’s a school day is important and that’s one of the reasons we wrote our book to make sense of anatomy and physiology and to keep learning in the time so, you find learning in every opportunity you can. So, yeah every day is a school day. Yeah

KRZYS:          Good stuff. (Yeah) Thank you. So how can we connect with you online?

JANE L:          You can find us on Facebook, if you look for Amatsu Training School and also Learn Anatomy UK you’ll find us there. And on the web you can find us on and .

KRZYS:         Thank you Jane, so, all of you listeners are interested in learning bit more about the courses which Jane runs and the school we’re going to put all the details in our show notes at Jane it’s a pleasure to have you today on the show and hopefully we going to chat very, very soon. Bye for now.

JANE L:         Thank you! Bye, bye.

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