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Sarah Hoare is a massage therapist, massage teacher, and hypnotherapist. She’s been helping people professionally since 2001 and delights in seeing clients and students embracing wellness and success.

Sarah has diplomas from the Bristol College of Massage and Bodywork (BCMB) and Clifton Practice Hypnotherapy Training and has been a teacher at BCMB since 2003. She is a member of the Massage Training Institute, the National Council for Hypnotherapy and the Association for Solution Focused Hypnotherapists.

Most recently Sarah has supplemented her extensive post-qualification training with specialist Abdominal-Sacral Massage and is excited to be offering this to her clients to help with digestive and reproductive difficulties. She also runs Happiness Workshops and gives public talks on wellbeing, happiness, and self-care. Alongside her client work, teaching and talks Sarah’s currently developing online resources to share her work more widely. Sarah lives in Bristol, UK.

Favorite Quotes –

“Good enough is good enough,”

“It has got to be enjoyable, has it not?” Tag a Guest Game –

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Transcription:  BHP 002

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Krzys: Hello, BusyHive. It is Krzys Klinowski, and thank you for joining me for another episode of podcast, your daily dose of inspiration. If you enjoy this free podcast, please show your support by leaving a rating and reviews on iTunes. I am simply thrilled to introduce my new guest today, Sarah Hoare, so let us dive in.

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Krzys: So, Sarah Hoare is a massage therapist, massage teacher, and hypnotherapist. She has been helping people professionally since 2001 and delights in seeing clients and students embracing wellness and success. Sarah has diploma from Bristol College of Massage and Bodywork (BCMB) and Clifton Practice Hypnotherapy Training, and she has been a teacher at BCMB since 2003. She is a member of Massage Training Institute and National Council for Hypnotherapy and Association for Solution-Focused Hypnotherapists. Most recently, Sarah has supplemented her extensive post qualification training in specialist abdominal sacral massage and is excited to be offering this to her clients to help with digestive and productive difficulties. She also [runs] happiness workshop and [gives] public talks on wellbeing, happiness, and self-care. Alongside her clinic work, teaching, and talks, Sarah is currently developing online resources to share her work more widely. So, welcome Sarah, and let us share some of the happiness with me and the listeners on BusyHive podcast. Hello.

Sarah: Hi Krzys.

Krzys: So, here at BusyHive we like to start every show with our guest’s favorite quote; you know, it is kind of our way to get the motivational ball rolling and getting everybody pumped and excited for the rest of the show. So, can you tell us what your favorite quote [is] and why?

Sarah: Sure, well, actually Krzys, I am going to ask you if I can do two quotes.

Krzys: Okay, of course you can drop us two.

Sarah: So, my first one is super simple and is “good enough is good enough,” and what that does for me is allows me to overcome the sort of paralysis of perfectionism and just, you know, do stuff; take actions anyway; just get stuff done. So, that is really important to me; that has helped me a lot. And the other one is from my hypnotherapy tutor, who just says constantly “it has got to be enjoyable, has it not?” And I totally believe that; if you are not enjoying what you are doing, do something else.

Krzys: And that is very true. [These are] really, really good quotes. So, thank you for sharing that. So this is going to take us into next topic, because we said before, in BusyHive, we are really focused on our beginning of our journey. So can you tell us, so how did you [start]? And how did you [get] to the point where [you are] today.

Sarah: Okay, so, turn back time to 2001, or end of 2000, and I am working as a computer programmer, not having the best time of it, enjoying it, people are nice, work is okay, but nothing fulfilling, nothing in my soul, nothing, you know, like good really with it, so I am looking for something; I am looking for something else to do just to bring me back to life I guess in a way, and massage popped into my head pretty randomly one morning. And next thing I knew I was googling massage courses, found BCMB, signed up on their training, expecting it just to be something that made my weekends a bit more interesting and took the pressure off the week. And it just got under my skin; I just loved it. So, from then, it was clear that I was going to have to make some big decisions about stopping work, going part time, finding time to start doing this new massage thing for a living, which threw me completely because I was not expecting that; I have not signed up for a new career; I just signed up to have fun.

Krzys: So have you had any bodywork before that, like massage or…?

Sarah: No.

Krzys: Okay.

Sarah: I have not even had a professional massage in my life. I have never even thought of having one. But I have had comments, you know, if you do just, you know, massage someone or a little bit with a friend or partner and has some good feedback and I think suddenly my brain just remembered all those instances and gave me the courage just to go for it; [it] felt really random. But-

Krzys: It happened.

Sarah: Yes it happened and that is how these things go I think sometimes, so very randomly becoming a massage therapist and then thinking okay, well, how do we do that? What do we do? Let us find out. So, I realized I needed some time and I was able to get part time at work and started having a couple of days a week where I can start to see clients, was able at the time to start work from home, so I saw a few people at home, and this was back at the day when Bristol had the Relaxation Center and I was able to get work there.

Krzys: What is the Relaxation Center?

Sarah: Relaxation Center is… was a center where it was like a very homely kind of spa with hot tubs and steam room and stuff, but in a big old house in Clifton, and it also had treatment rooms.

Krzys: Okay. Brilliant

Sarah: And… so I was able to get on there sort of books and-

Krzys: To use the room.

Sarah: Yes. So, they would find clients; they would allocate them to whoever is on duty that day, so I had worked there for a number of years, worked my way up through the ranks, from being just on call, maybe getting a call on a Saturday night “can you come in half an hour and do a massage?” and I was “yes, of course I can; of course I can.”

Krzys [laughter]

Sarah: “Can you get there quicker now?” And then over the years you know you have your set days and you be like one of the first people they would call. So, by the time I had finished working there, I pretty much knew I would have regular clients and they would be booking in and I would be seeing them, so, alongside that, I worked from home a little bit, and then when that changed I started renting clinic space. I rented a few places trying to find one that really felt right; that was quite a tricky part I think, finding somewhere that felt good, but I am just chipping away at it, some weeks are busy, some weeks are quite, but [I am] just staying with it. It was the weirdest thing to go from not knowing what massage was basically to having this massive passion for it, and just sort of seeing what other people that were making it were doing and kind of copying them really.

Krzys: Yes.

Sarah: I was lucky it coincided with BCMB growing a bit and getting… moving its office from Andy’s home to the therapy center that he was setting up, and they needed a new administrator, so I started doing admin for BCMB which was in the Alma Center in Clifton, so I got to see other very successful therapists doing their work, how did they manage their diary? How did they book clients? How did they behave with the clients in like in reception, taking them through to the room; just, without even realizing I was learning, I think I was learning a lot just being in that environment.

Krzys: And that is a really good point especially in the beginning; you do copy and look at the other therapists, what they do, how they do it, and how they talked to the clients.

Sarah: Absolutely.

Krzys: Especially now in the times when we live in the YouTube era; there is just so much interesting stuff and you know you can actually do research and find some information on how to do and what to do.

Sarah: Yes, because the thing is, any questions you have got you can guarantee other people have got that same question.

Krzys: It has been already done.

Sarah: And somebody is taking the time to tell you some really good answers.

Krzys: Yes.

Sarah: It is just asking. I am not being frightened to ask people that are ahead of you in the progression through the career, because people… in my experience people in massage they are very helpful and they are very open and they are very willing to share what they have learned.

Krzys: That is perfect. That sounds like an amazing story.

Sarah: Yes.

Krzys: Especially when you know you just woke up and you just had this dream and you just “where is it?”

Sarah: Yes.

Krzys: And you just went for it, just went for it. There was lots of courage.

Sarah: That is the funny thing about it, because I think looking back it was courageous, but at the time it just felt like something I needed to do. I think it felt like quite a tough decision, not a tough decision, quite a hard decision in a way to give up work, the day job, because I guess without realizing it you are brought up to think you go to work, you get good money, and you da da da.

Krzys: Yes.

Sarah: All of that stuff, and then to turn that on its head and find another way-

Krzys: For something really unknown.

Sarah: -part of my… yes, part of my brain thought that this was really stupid think to be doing [laughter]. It was not really that peaceful that that will do. My body and my heart were telling me just do it.

Krzys: Yes.

Sarah: The brain was a bit slow and took it onward.

Krzys: I think that was amazing and it is the same kind and similar with my story. I remembered what I always said. I remember as soon as I put my first foot in the college, I just knew this is it; it is just somehow this inside, internal… I did not even learn about it. I did not even [touch] a person yet and have not been around a massage table; I just knew this is it. And it just was kind of this feeling was pushing me, dragging me through and, yes.

Sarah: It is weird how it gets you.

Krzys: Amazing, so when you started in your mind what… can you share with us one of your challenges as a new therapist. You mentioned a few already, kind of finding a clinic, but is there anything particular?

Sarah: God, there is so much. When you look back, you realize that you have dealt with and overcome and what not. I think a big thing for me was confidence, was believing that I had… that I really had something to offer people and that I had what I needed to be able to do that, and I think there was quite a lot of… I think I worried unnecessarily about things quite a lot for a quite long time actually before the penny just dropped and I thought Sara you are always getting good feedback, well how about you believe it?

Krzys: Yes.

Sarah: You are always getting people wanting to rebook and come back again; they are not doing that because they feel you are a charity case and they have to; they are doing that because they want to, so why do not you just believe it? And once I started thinking well actually yes maybe I am doing this alright; maybe this is okay; then I could let go of a lot of that worry and then really enjoy it and own it, and that I think was a real turning point, with yes just feeling that this is what I do; I love doing it; people love receiving it; it is as simple as that.

Krzys: Yes.

Sarah: Let us just do it.

Krzys: And then a really good point actually coming back all the time, and I do it; if I feel like I am having a rubbish week or something, I come in back and read my reviews.

Sarah: Yes.

Krzys: And actually, reading those good moments, they actually make a change; they do change.

Sarah: Yes.

Krzys: And you are helping amazing people and the people really appreciate that, and you are actually doing it.

Sarah: Yes.

Krzys: And you just read that and believe in that.

Sarah: Absolutely, yes.

Krzys: It is really, really powerful.

Sarah: Yes. And it is something you… I found I almost had to train myself to do, because it is so easy to dismiss it and to take it on. I remember as well starting in my notes after the sessions; I would write and I would write down exactly what they said when they first got off the table, how good they felt and even put it in quote marks, so I knew I was not lying.

Krzys [laughter]: They said it.

Sarah [laughter]: This was true; they said it. I wrote it down, and it all went according to plan; it is what they wanted; they felt great afterwards; they felt better. I would put myself a little gold start or a little smiley face, and then when I… I still do that now this is like sixteen years.

Krzys [laughter]

Sarah [laughter]: And still my notes are full of stars and smiley faces, and it is one of those simple little things but it just means I know that I am acknowledging it; it just builds and builds and builds.

Krzys: Yes, but you also said it comes with the practice.

Sarah: Yes.

Krzys: Just doing the little things would bring you this acknowledgment and just you know you are great; you are doing fine.

Sarah: Yes, and it is just letting that… letting that be, you know. You do not have to criticize it; you do not have to judge it; just accept this is actually great, you are loving it, they are loving it, and everyone is a winner.

Krzys [laughter]: Yes. Perfect.

Sarah: Yes.

Krzys: Amazing. So, we have now reached my favorite part of this show, and we are about to enter the part when we choose the topic of the conversation which relates to the work of our guests, so you. So, we will start with a few questions to gather some amazing insight. So, the topic today we chose is about the power of the words, which is not because… well, you work as well as a hypnotherapist.

Sarah: Yes.

Krzys: And, as a massage therapist, you talk to the clients and you know; how important it is? Just simple words, the way we say stuff can affect us, can affect the others, so [do] you think the words can be powerful skill and a tool for us therapists?

Sarah: Yes. That is such a great question, and I almost do not know where to begin [laughter], trying to answer, but I mean there is just the fact that words have meaning, and that meaning kind of controls how we…controls what we believe, how we see ourselves, how we see the world, so whether we are perpetuating a belief or we are challenging a belief it is important, and if we are… I think we have got the power of our words to positively challenge some beliefs and to reinforce some other helpful good beliefs, so that we are using the words to support what we are trying to achieve and in massage what we are trying to achieve usually is helping someone feel better physically, which will then no doubt help them feel better mentally, emotionally, spiritually… so we want to be using language that just totally supports that process so we want to speak calmly, we want to speak quietly, we want to speak peacefully, because we are trying to elicit calm and peace and relaxation, so it makes sense that we use our voice and our words in that way; we are trying to help someone feel better, so we want to be looking for what people are already doing that they did not even realize that they are doing that is helping them. And, yes, just using every chance we have got to help someone realize how amazing they already are and what they… how they can just build on that for whatever they want to achieve.

Krzys: This has quite always been big subject for me, because, well, English is not my first language and especially when I started working with the people I needed to learn how to talk slowly, talk clearly, and especially with the medical language to kind of explain them, and that was quite really important thing for me, how to approach things to you know say or not to say so they actually understand me, but they actually do not feel mad about this, you know, because they always come with a lot of pain and lots of trauma, so it was very important for me not to bring that even more.

Sarah: Yes.

Krzys: Just to kind of level it to have this hour for them, just take them out of this exact moment.

Sarah: Yes, yes.

Krzys: And, so how do you think we should communicate with the clients, well, and others really?

Sarah: For me, I think the most important thing is to be communicating with kindness, with positivity, like you have mentioned clarity; [it is] so important that we are being you know as clear as we can, even with simple things like talking about someone getting undressed and where to put the clothes and what to take off and what to leave on; those things can be quite anxiety-making for clients, especially if it is the first time they have come, and we need to explain the rules of this new game that they are playing, and the clearer we can be, the easier it is for someone to feel relaxed and comfortable with us; I think we need to use language that is neutral and/or positive so we can… like what you were saying about people are often in pain, are often feeling uncomfortable; they are feeling distress; they are feeling trauma; and we want to let them have a chance to experience something different from that. So, a really simple example of that would be you know rather than say “oh, how long have you been suffering with urethritis?” is to say “how long have you been experiencing that?” So, an experience is not good or bad; it is not right or wrong; it is just what it is, whereas suffering is loaded with difficulty, with pain, with victim, with not being empowered to make things different, so just to neutralize if someone talks… I have had a number of clients over the years and they will say to me “oh, how bad are my shoulders? I bit those are the worst shoulders you have ever touched, are not they?”

Krzys [laughter]: Yes.

Sarah [laughter]: Yes, you had that as well? Yes. And, I did not want to buy into that; I did not want to buy into the idea that someone’s shoulders are bad or that they are the worst or anything like that. I would just reflect back and say “oh, I can feel some tension there” or “well, they are definitely strong,” so that it might even twist it into real positive so that they can see tension in a new way, they can see their body in a new way, that it is tension, maybe it is strength, maybe it is just a hole in stuff, there is a lot going in there, and this is something I sell “there is certainly something going on there” for that is not judgement.

Krzys: Yes.

Sarah: It is just neutral. Yes, so I think it is exactly what you are saying about trying to elevate people to a place where they can maybe see a different way forward, and it is our job to use the words just subtly and I think it is important not to be overly positive. It is not-

Krzys: Yes.

Sarah: -to be glib, and to be kind of raised into-

Krzys: Oh, you sure are amazing.

Sarah: -yes, look at those wonderful shoulders; that is the best knot I have ever seen [laughter].

Krzys [laughter]

Sarah: But to just be quiet, matter of fact, neutral, but kind, you know, and show people another way of seeing… so many people will internalize negativity around their body and just always just blow that out of water; that does not exist in my world; your body is an amazing thing.

Krzys: And I think this is already starting the process of healing because with “oh, this hurts; my shoulders are bad” and you actually tell them “no, there is some tension, and by doing this” you know, let us say massage in one shoulder and asking them “so, can you feel the difference?” and they are like moving like “oh, wow.”

Sarah: Yes.

Krzys: You know to give them this approach actually that there is some change happening; it is not that bad.

Sarah: Yes, absolutely. And it is temporary.

Krzys: Yes.

Sarah: Yes, the body can get into one way of being and it can get into another one very quickly and we see it all the time; within ten minutes into a massage and their body is feeling different and to be able to reflect that back to show somebody can you notice that, can you feel that, yes simple.

Krzys: Great. Great and that is really, really amazing insight and really, really powerful; that is why the things where we say it and how we say it, it affects the psychological changes and the body as we said is exactly starting the process of healing already with us even with the initial consultation with the things for the sessions and by asking clients exactly till they see the difference and at the end of the sessions give them some good feedback about them, that there is actually good positive stuff and what they can do.

Sarah: Yes.

Krzys: And that lead us to the next question, so I have… because a lot of our listeners are either just starting out or maybe they have been in the business for a while but they are struggling with self-doubt as they work on their own business ideas and practices. This is the big one; imagine if you woke up tomorrow morning but you still possessed all the experience and knowledge you currently have but your business completely disappeared forcing you to start from the scratch, what would you do?

Sarah: Great question. This almost has happened, because I took time off when I had my knee injury, so I basically before my operation I pointed all my clients another direction and so they would not be abandoned you know they would have other people to go to, and then I had to pick it up all again when I came back; I know it is a little bit different because it was a temporary thing, but so yes starting from complete scratch, if everything was gone, the first thing I would do is find somewhere that I felt really comfortable to work in so I cannot work from home at the moment, so I would be looking for clinics basically that I felt comfortable in and that I like the people, I like the rooms and at somewhere that I felt proud and peaceful to bring clients to so that would be my number one, and having got that sorted I would be getting a business card ready, either a quick website page or even a Facebook business page, just something simple that people could find me online, and then I would get on the email and I would email everyone I knew and tell them that I was back where I was starting and where to get hold of me and encourage them to send that email to anyone that they knew that might benefit from the work that I do, and I would just… yes just keep these emails every now and then get…I would not be bold as to say regular updates on the internet because I know I am not great at doing that but I would put content up as of when, and… yes the other things I would do [are] I would be very clear on when I want to see clients and when I did not and I would get my diary out and I would find the slots when I wanted… when I ideally wanted clients and I would write them in, 10:15, 11:30, 12:45, as specific as that, get them written in so that when the phone disk starts ringing and when the emails do start coming in it can be straight away clear and when I did not have clients at those times I would use that time to get my marketing done, get my work done, so I would go to the clinic that I was imagining I am paying for a clinic space; I am going to show up at that clinic space but with my massage kit just in case but also with my laptop or a pile of business cards to go and drop around people’s doors and I would just use that time, because I would want to make sure… what works for me and this is something I have learned that I did not do at the start but is to have proper time off.

Krzys: Yes.

Sarah: So, I am still doing the things that I love to do that keep me who I am so I would still want to swim, I would still want to see friends, I would still want to read, I would still want to have some time you know to see family and do those other important things so I would really want to get clear with that from the start and trust, trust, trust….

Krzys: Yes.

Sarah: … that it will all come good. Enjoy the quiet because [laughter] when it gets busy it gets busy…

Krzys [laughter]: Yes.

Sarah: …and then you wish it was quiet, so having that confidence to be patient if it needs be.

Krzys: That is really good insight and important things in order to get straight away the clarity of what you want to do and how you do it even the prices up there, put the timings exactly, and as you said spend this time not “oh, I have no one; I have window there to just go shopping; it is a nice weather; I will go on the grass”; no, just actually spend this time on work, be good at it, you know.

Sarah: Yes.

Krzys: And… because in the beginning you just do not know how to start, what to do, and just kind of experiment but just have this schedule and setup and kind of just start with something…

Sarah: Yes.

Krzys: …that will build up and open up, open up some more.

Sarah: Absolutely.

Krzys: But actually find the balance, as you said. Just so… because in the beginning you tend to “oh, there are clients on a Sunday; there is something, oh, I am going to do it” there is just no you have this work and actually have those days for family, fun time….

Sarah: Yes, and I think to trust that you will find people that will fit with your schedule and that you can allow yourself… for me, a massive part of being self-employed and doing this work is that I can make it suit me and I got the flexibility to and I always kind of feel like I owe it to people that are in a nine-to-five job, Monday to Friday, I owe it to them to really enjoy the flexibility that I have got, in the same way that they owe it to me to take a sickie because they can; you know I cannot if I hit work… [laughter].

Krzys [laughter]

Sarah: You know they got to make the most of their situation; I got to make the most of mine.

Krzys: Yes.

Sarah: But I know I met and stroke chat with massage therapist last week who was saying that you know this time of the year what she likes to do is have the daytime free, so she can be outside and enjoy it and work in the evenings, so she is doing that and I said “oh, brilliant”; you know that makes so much sense to make it work for you.

Krzys: Yes.

Sarah: And that takes a bit of confidence I think but trust you know that there will be other people out there that want massage when you are wanting to give it, so it is just a case of yes being clear on what works for you and letting that know that is going to be sending clear authentic energy out which will attract-

Krzys: I can relate to it and exactly you should be confident and it comes because it took me about two to three years to actually that is what I do, that is what I work, you know even to change to that you know I decided I am going to work from Monday to Thursday and that is it because that is you know because that is what I have to do.

Sarah: Yes.

Krzys: That is what is good for me and I can just put it you know for my work and it is really hard to just give that but actually that works for me and the clients actually do not mind; they make time and they manage to put… you know get in the time where you want and when you are free, but in the beginning it is kind of really hard to get this confidence.

Sarah: Yes.

Krzys: But be sure about this; be sure about your times and just offer them, and if they would not be able to book you this time, they are going to book you next week.

Sarah: Absolutely.

Krzys: There is always some kind of you know space and good way to change that and adjust.

Sarah: Yes.

Krzys: Brilliant. So, thank you Sarah; you shared a lot with us today, and I really appreciate that. So in this part it is a bit more about you. This part is called free style, and here we have a moment to get the promotion of you, so if there is a course, if you have a book, practice, or anything you like to share, so we will give you a little bit of the free style time, go.

Sarah: Lovely, so what I am really excited about just at the moment is that recently I did some training with a lady called Helen Patch and it was specific abdominal sacral massage, so this is looking at specific techniques for working on the abdomen to help with digestive symptoms or reproductive systems symptoms and it can be really helpful; I have seen it really helpful for lower back pain and discomfort so structural stuff as well as sort of internal, and I love it; I have always loved working with the abdomen, with the chest area, and it is not something that a lot of clients maybe ask for or even think about having. So, having now you know another level of skill and technique to work that area is something that I am really excited about bringing to my clients now when being able to offer something a bit more intentional around that… around those symptoms and difficulties that people experience so I think yes just a chance now to mention that just to say that is something I am bringing to my sessions more or more within a regular session but in specific sessions if people are… maybe you have been having… I have been asked for a long time about those issues about fertility; it could be great for those kinds of things, so it is really nice to be able to help people again in another way.

Krzys: Is this something you offer now?

Sarah: Yes.

Krzys: Okay. And [from where] did that came to you? Did you wake up and just like tummy massages?

Sarah: Yes, it was… I think it was a few things changed through when I took time off when my knee was recovering from the surgery, and I was just thinking you know what do I want to get back to? What do I love about the work? What do I still love? What if I am maybe not so excited about anymore? Am I still excited about it? Asking all these questions really and I realized that I do love working with bellies [laughter].

Krzys [laughter]

Sarah: [It is] a weird thing really, rubbing people’s tummies will be a nice thing to do, and I just felt that it would be something that I would like to learn more about yes in terms of how those systems work, the sort of the physiology but also what we can do and how we can help more with the hands-on work, so it was really just that interest, that curiosity; I love learning and I was just wanting to learn more about that, so I just did some research, found different people offering different things, followed up with a few people that I knew had done different trainings and got their advice and what was good to do and just really… really enjoyed being a student again; it is always great, so that was lovely; and then, yes, it is just really… it feels really important to be able to offer something for those things that maybe are not so easy to talk about and are not so easy to receive help for and then often things that conventional medicine can do so much but cannot always get to a lot of abdominal stuff is quite stress related, linked to our mental state, our emotional state.

Krzys: Our emotions, yes.

Sarah: So to be able to have the conf… it comes back to confidence again, more training, more skills; more knowledge gives me more confidence to offer, stuff to help people in perhaps areas that are a bit more sensitive.

Krzys: But there is as well lots of postural stuff that comes from inside.

Sarah: Yes, yes.

Krzys: Brilliant. So, at the moment, the next part we have something which we called “tag a guest” game, so we would like to ask you who do you admire? Or who would you recommend for upcoming interview with me here at BusyHive podcast?

Sarah: Great. Well, I would like to… yes the person I would like to recommend would be the voice behind “good enough is good enough” which was my… one of my massage tutors Sha Min Stora. She is another Bristol-based therapist as well. Yes she was one of my teachers and has been my supervisor in massage for a number of years, and I am delighted of recent years to call her a real friend. So, I would tag Sha….

Krzys: Sha?

Sarah: … and send you in her direction.

Krzys: You are next [laughter]. So if she is listening [she] is going to know. So, this is so great, so thank you for joining us here today, Sarah. You have given us a really great advice and inspiration. So, let us finish this show with the last piece of advice for BusyHive listeners and then we will say goodbye, so [if you can] just give us one thing to our listeners to take out of this episode, what would it be?

Sarah: The one thing to take away from this would be to start somewhere and do it and get better. It does not have to be perfect; it does not have to be the best; it could be… it needs to be good enough; from that point, you are doing it; you are in it; you are learning, and from there you are only going to improve, you are going to get better, and it is all going to just fall into place; you just got to do it.

Krzys: Yes. Sarah, as always, I always bring this as well is Sarah sent us a picture of one of her friends because Sarah used to be my tutor; allow yourself to be a student to become a master, which is exactly just start and things will come. So how can we connect with you online?

Sarah: You can go to my website which is; you can find me on Facebook, which is SarahHoareHypnoMassage; and you can email me at

Krzys: Brilliant, thank you Sarah. Thank you for joining me here at BusyHive podcast, and if you listeners are interested in learning more about Sarah practice, you can go to our and you will find all the information there in our show notes for this episode. So, Sarah, thank you so much for being here today and [it is] always a pleasure and I hope we will meet again soon and chat again, so bye for now.

Sarah: Thank you Krzys.


Krzys: So, here you have it; you have been listening to the podcast, the audio production show for people who wants to get their massage skills to next level. [I] hope you loved this episode and head over on iTunes and subscribe, rate, and leave us review; it is much, much appreciated, so thank you. So thank you for today, and I will see you at next episode. Stay tuned. BusyHive.

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